It's very likely you have not heard of these two "wise guys" named Heman and Ethan.
But, after this conversation, we hope that you will learn from them.
In particular, during this conversation, Aaron and Kevin discuss the faithful practice of lament (as demonstrated by Heman and Ethan). As we endure hardship in this life, we cry out to God - in faith - and thereby deepen our relationship with him. This deepened relationship then leads to a growth in wisdom to patiently endure, and even rejoice in our sufferings.
As always we hope you enjoy this conversation!